Episode 47: Suffering together with Patrick Serfass


Some stories grab you right from the first sentence—and this one, with Patrick Serfass, took me on a ride I didn’t want to end.

Patrick isn’t just a triathlete, or a renewable energy leader, or a dad raising two adventurous boys. He’s a guy who once said yes to sailing a 26-foot boat with no refrigeration all the way to South America. A guy who climbed the Grand Teton without any prior climbing experience. But what really makes his story stick with you is what happened when all of that—his athletic identity, his mobility, his very sense of self—got upended in a moment.

In this episode, we talk about what it means to suffer well, how ego can drive growth, and why the most powerful moments in life often come through challenge. We talk about trust, adventure, the loneliness of injury, and the healing that comes when you’re surrounded by people who say, “I’ve got you.” If you’ve ever been forced to let go of something you thought defined you—this one’s for you.

⏱️ Timestamps

[1:12] – Patrick introduces his family and his lifelong pull toward movement and travel
[5:55] – A spontaneous dinner conversation leads to a year-long sailing adventure
[12:01] – Why shared suffering forges deeper connection than comfort ever could
[17:40] – Losing the ability to run, and finding new purpose beyond the podium
[30:17] – What happens when your body becomes the limiting factor—and you say yes anyway
[35:12] – Climbing Grand Teton without climbing experience: fear, faith, and the magic of the mountains
[47:40] – The unexpected rewards of pushing through what scares us
[56:00] – What it really means to “stay in shape for the next adventure”—and why it’s not just physical

🔗 Links & Resources

If you’ve ever had to redefine who you are, if you’ve ever stood at the edge of something scary and whispered “yes,” I hope this episode reminds you: you’re not alone.

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Episode 46: The Great Nearby – Chasing Wild in North Carolina with John Norwood


In this fun episode, Josh sits down with John Norwood, a commercial banker from Raleigh, North Carolina, whose second identity is that of a passionate adventurer. While John’s day job revolves around numbers and negotiations, his soul is stirred by trails, waterfalls, and sunfish sails. Rather than jetting off to exotic lands, John finds endless wonder in his own backyard—the mountains, lakes, and coastlines of North Carolina.

Together, they explore John’s lifelong connection with the outdoors, how he blends adventure with a full-time career, and how he’s cultivated a community of fellow explorers. From Christmas Day hikes to dry-suit sailing in winter winds, John shares stories that blend practical inspiration with a bit of wanderlust magic. 🌲🛶

⏱️ Timestamps

  • [00:00:00] Introduction to John Norwood and his adventurous alter ego

  • [00:03:00] Family traditions and the origin of the “dreaded Christmas hike”

  • [00:06:00] Sailing in dry suits and winter wind at Falls & Jordan Lake

  • [00:11:00] An unforgettable halibut fishing trip in Alaska

  • [00:16:00] Why John chooses to adventure local

  • [00:18:00] The magic of Grayson Highlands and wild ponies

  • [00:24:00] John’s roots in outdoor exploration

  • [00:33:00] The 11-year quest to complete 100 Classic NC Hikes

  • [00:37:00] Turning solo trips into a thriving hiking community

  • [00:41:00] The deep “why” behind adventuring: mental clarity, physical challenge, and spiritual renewal

  • [00:51:00] Upcoming trips: Cape Lookout Jeep expedition & AT alternatives post-Hurricane Helene

🔑 Key Takeaways

  • Adventure is everywhere – You don’t need a passport to find wonder.

  • Make space for solitude – Recharging happens when you unplug and reconnect with nature.

  • Community grows through shared challenge – John’s trips turned into a tribe.

  • Local treasures, lifetime stories – From Grayson Highlands to the Sycamore Trail sleep hack, there’s beauty in repetition.

“The trail gives me solitude, structure, and stories—and that’s what keeps me coming back.” – John Norwood

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Episode 45: What’s worthy of your finitude with Patrick Moody


I love these conversations, but this one was fun.  We hit on the depths of the human condition to drive each of us on to our own adventures.  So what happens when a dedicated trial attorney makes adventure a non-negotiable part of his life? In this episode, I sit down with Patrick Moody, a prosecutor for the state of Montana who refuses to let a demanding career keep him from chasing adventure. From trail running right out his back door to tackling high-altitude mountaineering, Patrick has found a way to integrate the wilderness into his daily routine.

We dive into his experiences traveling across five continents in a single year, climbing some of the world’s most stunning peaks, and even navigating a life-altering arthritis diagnosis that nearly took away his ability to walk. Patrick shares how he mentally and physically pushes through challenges, what drives him to keep pursuing difficult things, and why he believes that truly living means stepping into the unknown. This conversation is packed with insights on adventure, resilience, and making the most of the time we have.

Episode Highlights:

[1:30] – Patrick’s background as a Montana-based attorney and adventure-seeker
[3:15] – Why Helena, Montana is a paradise for outdoor lovers
[6:45] – The shocking arthritis diagnosis that nearly ended Patrick’s ability to move
[10:20] – How he rebuilt his body and got into trail running post-diagnosis
[15:45] – The lessons of adventure: losing a parent young and growing up without wealth
[22:10] – Learning to listen to his instincts on when to push forward and when to turn back
[31:05] – The scariest moment of his mountaineering career—trapped in a lightning storm
[35:55] – A year of adventure: how Patrick traveled to five continents in 2024
[44:30] – The importance of intentionality in adventure, career, and finances
[50:10] – Type 1, Type 2, and Type 3 fun—why suffering is part of the reward

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Episode 44: From high heels and fashion to hiking boots and fly fishing with Kimberly Brookshire


What would you do if failure was a real possibility? If suffering was inevitable, but you had the option to walk away? Would you still go for it? My guest today, Kimberly Brookshire, knows this challenge well. She’s a long-distance hiker, a women’s adventure guide, and a passionate fly fisher—always choosing the hard path, the uncertain path, because that’s where she finds the most growth.

In this episode, Kimberly shares her journey from fashion and city life to hiking thousands of miles on some of the toughest trails in the U.S. and beyond. She opens up about why she keeps pushing her limits, how she finds meaning in suffering, and the lessons she’s learned from guiding women through their own adventurous pursuits. Whether you’re an outdoor enthusiast or simply looking for inspiration to take a bold step in your own life, this conversation is packed with wisdom, humor, and a fresh perspective on what it means to live fully.

Episode Highlights:

[2:15] How a childhood filled with adventure led Kimberly to long-distance hiking
[6:40] The pivotal decision to hike the Mountain-to-Sea Trail—and why no one thought she’d finish
[15:20] Why guiding women’s adventure trips is about more than just the outdoors
[25:00] Handling adversity on the trail: lessons from near disaster
[37:45] The mental toughness strategies that keep Kimberly pushing forward
[45:10] Finding the balance between solo adventures and guiding others
[54:30] The Arizona Trail: what’s next on Kimberly’s adventure list

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Episode 41: A Journey of Resilience and Rediscovery with Jenna Carroll


In this episode of The On Adventure Podcast, I sit down with Jenna Carroll, a hiking guide and endurance athlete who transformed her life by stepping off the corporate treadmill and onto the Appalachian Trail. Jenna shares her incredible journey, from her early days as a basketball star and management consultant to finding her passion for long-distance hiking and trail running. We delve into her 2021 northbound thru-hike of the Appalachian Trail, her life-changing decision to make the outdoors her career, and her remarkable return to the trail in 2023 to attempt a self-supported fastest known time (FKT).

Along the way, Jenna reflects on the emotional highs and lows of solo hiking, the invaluable lessons of community and resilience, and how nature continues to fuel her creativity. Whether you’re a seasoned hiker or just curious about life’s unpredictable paths, Jenna’s story is sure to inspire.

Episode Highlights:
[2:10] – Introducing Jenna Carroll: From basketball star to corporate life to hiker-extraordinaire.
[6:45] – Jenna’s first thru-hike: Why she left her desk job to tackle the Appalachian Trail.
[15:30] – Overcoming freezing temps on Blood Mountain: Jenna’s turning point just four days into the trail.
[24:40] – Post-trail life: Moving to Asheville, finding her calling as a hiking guide, and rediscovering creativity through poetry.
[39:00] – Tackling personal endurance challenges: Jenna’s first 50K and her epic Montreat trail day.
[43:50] – Attempting the self-supported FKT: 63 days, 2,200 miles, and lessons learned on the Appalachian Trail.
[57:00] – The value of community: How connection and support fueled Jenna’s solo adventures.
[1:02:30] – What’s next for Jenna: A 100-mile race, guiding trips, and continuing her journey in Asheville.

Links & Resources:

  • Blue Ridge Hiking Company
  • Books that inspired Jenna:
    • Thirst: 2600 Miles to Home by Heather “Anish” Anderson
    • A Beautiful Work in Progress by Myrna Valerio
  • Learn more about Mount Mitchell, the highest peak in the eastern U.S. here.

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Episode 40: Courage, Connection, and Living Fully on Adventure with Wells Jones


What does it mean to live a life of adventure, and how do the challenges we face shape our purpose? In this episode, we sit down with Wells Jones, author of the gripping novel A Line in the Sand and a man whose life has been anything but ordinary. Wells shares his journey from his days as a Navy Air Rescue team member to his experiences as a producer, actor, and adventurer.

Our conversation touches on his transformative treks through the Middle East, retracing the steps of T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia), and how those experiences inspired his new novel. Wells also opens up about the lessons learned from turning back in precarious situations, the importance of having a purpose in every endeavor, and how human connection can transcend cultural divides. Tune in for a captivating discussion that will leave you reflecting on your own definition of adventure.

Episode Highlights

[2:15] – Wells reflects on his upbringing, family dynamics, and the early loss of his father that shaped his adventurous spirit.
[6:50] – Navy Air Rescue: From parachuting to mountain rescues in Antarctica, Wells recalls life-changing experiences and how they prepared him for life’s challenges.
[12:30] – The philosophy of adventure: What George Mallory and Winston Churchill taught Wells about conquering oneself.
[20:15] – Facing danger: Wells shares harrowing stories, including a near-death moment during a precision skydive practice.
[38:00] – Trekking the Middle East: Retracing T.E. Lawrence’s journey during the Arab Revolt and the human connections that inspired A Line in the Sand.
[50:30] – The heart of the book: How historical fiction blends real-life events with storytelling to shed light on the complexities of the modern Middle East.
[1:00:15] – Wells’ hopes for readers of his book: The lessons of history and the importance of seeing humanity in everyone.

Links & Resources

Closing Thoughts

Thank you for joining me on this deep dive into Wells Jones’ incredible life story. If you found inspiration in this episode, please rate, review, and share the podcast with your fellow adventurers. Don’t forget to hit the follow button so you never miss an episode. Until next time, keep exploring, keep learning, and as always, live your great adventure.

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Episode 38: From the Wilderness to the Operating Room with Dr. Tommy Gavigan


In this episode of the On Adventure Podcast, I catch up with an old friend and fraternity brother, Dr. Tommy Gavigan. From our days at the University of North Carolina to his current life as a practicing surgeon in Charlotte, Tommy’s journey has been anything but conventional. After college, Tommy spent nearly a decade guiding teenagers into remote wilderness areas with Moondance Adventures—experiences that shaped not only his leadership but also his path into medicine.

We explore the connection between pushing past your comfort zone in the backcountry and managing high-stakes scenarios in the operating room. Tommy shares incredible stories of adventure, personal growth, and how these experiences molded his outlook on life. Now in his “Adventure 3.0,” he reflects on fatherhood, future aspirations, and why challenging yourself—physically, mentally, and emotionally—is key to living fully.

This episode is a deep dive into why we seek hard things, what we gain on the other side, and how adventure can prepare us for life’s biggest moments.

Episode Highlights

  • [1:10] – Introduction: Reconnecting with Tommy and his unique journey post-UNC.
  • [4:45] – The Moondance Adventures: From green teenagers to life-changing moments in the wilderness.
  • [12:30] – Real backcountry challenges: Lightning storms, hypothermia, and a rare grizzly bear encounter.
  • [18:00] – Service through adventure: Teaching kids leadership, grit, and resilience.
  • [31:30] – From outdoor leader to surgeon: Tommy’s leap into medicine and his pivotal “letter to the future self.”
  • [39:20] – Adventure 3.0: Parenthood, teaching his son the outdoors, and future dreams.
  • [42:15] – Managing high-stakes stress: Lessons from the wilderness to the operating room.
  • [45:30] – What’s next? Personal peaks, challenges, and expanding the comfort zone.

Links & Resources

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Episode 36: Beyond the Pain Cave – Lessons from Ultra Adventures with Scott Hanson


In the latest episode of the On Adventure Podcast, I sit down with Scott Hanson, a true veteran of endurance challenges and an influential figure in the financial industry. Scott’s story is one of resilience, determination, and finding purpose through pushing physical and mental boundaries. Our conversation explores Scott’s journey from casual running to completing the grueling Western States 100—a 100-mile ultramarathon with 19,000 feet of elevation gain—and how that experience, among others, shaped his approach to life and business. We also dive into his memorable adventure up Mount Fuji, where cultural and personal growth merged in an unforgettable climb.

Join us as Scott shares the highs and lows of his adventures, from overcoming pain and doubt during ultramarathons to the life lessons he’s applied from these challenges to his professional and personal life.

Episode Highlights:

[00:00] Introduction – Meeting Scott Hanson

[02:08] Scott’s Journey Begins – From reluctant high school runner to becoming captivated by endurance sports.

[06:22] Training and Competing – Navigating family, work, and training routines with morning runs and long days on the trail.

[20:00] The Western States 100 Experience – The mental and physical battles of one of the world’s toughest races.

[23:48] Lessons Learned – How pushing through “the pain cave” taught Scott resilience and mental fortitude that extend beyond sport.

[27:27] Reflecting on Challenges – Applying adventure-driven tenacity to everyday life and professional challenges.

[39:00] Mount Fuji – A cultural and physical journey with friends and family, complete with lessons in humility and awe.

[48:35] The Future of Adventure – Scott’s plans and reflections on maintaining an adventurous spirit as life evolves.

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Thanksgiving Reflections: Finding Financial Peace, Presence, and Genuine Joy in the Season

Thanksgiving marks a pause for many of us in the whirlwind of daily life. I love it for that.  For a few days, we gather with family and friends, enjoying good food, laughter, and conversation. Yet, the season can be bittersweet—a time of reflection and celebration that’s often overshadowed by the stress of holiday expenses and the pressures of hosting or attending gatherings or other family dynamics that are just hard to put a finger on. As we enter this Thanksgiving season, maybe we consider a different approach: focusing on financial stability, being fully present with our loved ones, and finding genuine enjoyment rather than just getting through it.  Yeah, I know, you’ve heard this before, but hear me out.

Cultivating Financial Stability…it’s not about the money

Financial stability isn’t about extravagance; it’s about having peace of mind and the freedom to make choices aligned with our values. For many, holidays add a financial strain, but it doesn’t have to.  Trust me, this is the part of the article where I’m talking to myself, so feel free to listen in.

Financial stability begins in the mind. It’s about adopting a mindset that values contentment over accumulation, embracing a sense of “enough” rather than striving for more. This mindset allows us to approach the holidays with gratitude for what we have rather than stressing about what we lack. Thanksgiving invites us to step back and see our resources—time, energy, and money—as tools to be used intentionally, not indicators of success or happiness. When we feel secure in what we have, we’re less tempted by the holiday urge to overspend or overextend.

The Power of (Being) the Present

With today’s technology, it’s easy to be physically present with family while mentally absent—our thoughts divided between notifications, emails, and to-do lists. I truly believe that there is no such thing as multi-tasking…our brains are hardwired in this way.  So, if you’re staring at your phone, you’re not present with those around you.  One of the most profound gifts we can give during Thanksgiving is the full presence of our attention. Choosing to leave phones in another room, engage in conversation, and listen to each family member’s story without distraction can transform our gatherings. These moments don’t require perfection in family dynamics; they only need our open ears and a willingness to embrace others as they are. 

Being fully present also applies to ourselves. Instead of rushing to fit every seasonal obligation, we can consciously slow down, taking time to recharge. Whether it’s a quiet morning walk, reading a book, or simply breathing deeply before a meal, these moments allow us to enjoy Thanksgiving with gratitude and grace rather than as an item on a checklist.

Enjoying, Not Enduring, the Season

Many people experience the holidays as something to endure rather than enjoy—a time of fulfilling social expectations or family obligations. However, true enjoyment comes from engaging with the season in a way that’s meaningful to us personally. For some, this might mean traditional festivities; for others, it might look like an intimate gathering or even a quiet Thanksgiving hike. The key is to spend the day in a way that brings joy and connection, free from imposed expectations.

Setting boundaries on how we celebrate doesn’t diminish the holiday’s value—it enhances it. When we choose celebrations that align with who we are, we foster genuine gratitude. If that means opting for a small dinner, skipping crowded stores, or using Thanksgiving to volunteer instead, so be it. Our traditions should reflect what brings us joy, not what we feel pressured to maintain.

Thanksgiving is a time to reflect on abundance—of love, health, relationships, and even the lessons learned through challenges. I want us all to pursue our Great Life right now, and this holiday season is a great opportunity to pursue it with the people that we care most about.  This season, let’s make it less about stretching our resources thin and more about stretching our capacity for gratitude. Embrace simplicity, give the gift of presence, and choose joy over obligation. In doing so, Thanksgiving becomes more than a holiday; it becomes a practice in contentment, reminding us that true wealth is measured by the richness of our experiences and the depth of our connections. 

Thanks for listening without judgment to my inner dialogue.